When I first started my career in racing I knew what I wanted to do. I had always wanted to be the guy who setup the car. You might relate. Sure, driving would be cool, but how many of us have the talent to do that and do it well. And now days, you might need to be the son of the team owner or related to the sponsor or whatever to fund that.
The next coveted position on the team is the setup guy. You can call him the crew chief (this is usually the case), the engineer, or the car chief, but whatever the title, what this person does is envied by all.
As I moved around the county on the Tour, for each team I ran into, there was always one guy who was in charge of the setup. In my consulting days, when I arrived at the shop of a new client, there was the setup guy and we either got along or he didn’t want me there to critique his methods, the later being the norm. Behind him were several want-to-be’s who wished they were the setup guy.
I have to Note here that I have never seen a Setup Gal in all my years in racing, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one or that there won’t be one, just that I’ve never seen one. So I will refer to “guy” here to mean all setup persons. There.
The setup guy is the one that can make or break the team. His decisions are what constitute a good or bad car, race, and/or season. It really isn’t the cars fault though if things go wrong. And everyone around that guy seems to have an opinion. These are the want-to-be’s and I don’t say that with any disdain. There can be a use for the other potential setup guys in the shop.
My opinion is that everyone on the team is important and has a desire to help the team win. What should happen on every team is that everyone should be allowed to be heard when it comes to setup ideas. Then, only that one designated setup guy person will make the ultimate call on setup. But the ideas presented can and should definitely influence the decisions.
I have consulted with some very high level teams, including Cup teams in the past. I never push ideas on the crew chief. I listen and discuss items when asked. But, when I hear or see something I think might help, I speak up. The crew chief knows I don’t want to interfere in his setup process, and when I do speak out, it must be important to me and he listens. It is a mutual respect relationship.
The ultimate goal of the up and coming setup guy is to one day be the setup guy for this team or another. To get there, you need to learn all you can about the car, the setups, the maintenance, etc. because when that day comes, you’ll be all alone with a ton of responsibility on your shoulders.
So, my advice to all of you setup guy want-to-be’s is keep on digging and working to help the setup guy. Respect that he has a lot of weight on his shoulders. After all, he is going to either be a hero or a zero at the end of the night. It’s a tough position to be in and it takes guts to do that job. Learn all you can from him. If your learning exceeds the crew chief, don’t get pushy, you’ll get your chance.
Develop a relationship whereby he knows you respect him and his knowledge while at the same time letting him know your desire and need to participate on some level. If you can do that, he will appreciate your understanding and will let you into the process at some point in time. Then it just might develop into a setup team.
If you do get to be the setup guy, don’t forget how you got there and that there are some around you who desire to be a part of the process. If you let them participate, they can be a real important and needed asset to you and the team.
If you have comments or questions about this or anything racing related, send them to my email address: chassisrd@aol.comor mail can be sent to Circle Track, Senior Tech Editor, 1821 E Dyer Rd, Suite 150, Santa Ana, CA 92705.
Tire Soak Question
Bob,
I’ve read your book, have your programs and have being using them at least twelve years.
I was reading your article on tire soaking. I’m a road racer, so I don’t know much about soaking tires. But I did buy some tire prep (Goat Pee) about a year ago. I put it on my tires that had a qualifying and a 30-minute race on them and went to a track that is hard on tires.
They corded very quickly. I put the same stuff on before an event last weekend and just put it on the center 6 inches of a 10 inch tire. The track I went to was not hard on tires, and it seemed to make the tires better for several 10-minute practice sessions. I can’t make my car handle well on Hoosier tires.
I’ve been running on Goodyear 2902s for about three years. Since Goodyear have not made these for several years now, all the 2902s I can buy now have been sitting for quite some time. Is there any particular tire prep that you have come across that you think would help these tires? Thanks.
(Name Withheld)
From what I have seen, you have to regulate the amount of treatment you apply. If you treat too much, the tire will be too soft and like you said, cord too quickly. It will take some experimentation to get it right, but start off on the short side of the amount of time you soak the tire.
To be successful, you will need to use a rotisserie to rotate the tire through the solution so that the distribution is uniform. You can time how long the tire is turning in the solution to achieve the desired softening.
What you are doing, bringing old tires back to new softness, is what I consider a legal and appropriate use of tire softeners. As long as you don’t exceed the softness of a new tire, or read lower on the durometer, you should be legal. That doesn’t mean the tech officials will see it that way.
The argument could be that the commercial tire softeners could make the tire wear better and make the grip last longer than the chemicals used in the production tire. That would be hard to prove, but it could be a valid argument.
For a circle track racer using the same tire, as a test you could run a new set of tires on a ten lap run, then an “older” new set that is treated to the same durometer reading for twenty laps and see what the lap times look like.
If there is no difference, then the officials have no valid reason to oppose the use of treatment. The other argument that you won’t hear outright from the officials or track management is that the sale of new tires makes money for the track. If everyone used treatment and their tires lasted twice as long, the sales would be cut in half.
About the Rules
Dear Circle Track,
I wanted to respond to a article in the CT Face Book page about rules. I have been run off from Five Flags in ‘05 one trip, Lanier Speedway ’04 – ‘08 one trip they are closed now), South Ga. Motorsports Park in ‘05 one trip (closed now), Greenville Pickens in ‘15 two trips with two different cars and asked not to return. So they’ll go broke before I go back.
But I have gotten pretty used to this at the tracks, it seems just part of being a Mopar oval track racer. I have fought tooth and nail for well over ten years to get changes to the rulebooks, similar to GARS and the Mid Atlantic Street Stocks, but most of these track have just lost someone who really loved the sport.
When a track burns me like I have been done they don’t have to worry about me ever coming back or any of my family or friends. Hard work should be rewarded. I have run my own company for 21 years. Like I tell folks, I’m a leader not a damn follower which 99.9% of people are just followers and have no clue to anything in life period and no respect for somebody’s hard work.
Ok what’s the point of this email? You are correct in what you have said. GARS & MASS is a good starting point for a great rules package that needs to spread across the country for a Base stock car class. Then maybe I could race my Dodge somewhere without being run off all the time.
Thanks,
Jody Cash.
Jody,
That was the intent of the GARS series, to develop an all encompassing set of rules that would include street stock class cars from different tracks and series. What it has developed into is maybe a formula for all tracks to use so that they don’t exclude anyone, like you have been excluded.
It is our hope that these exclusion tracks will see what we are doing and see that they are turning away back gate revenue while also reducing the field of cars. Fans don’t appreciate paying to see six or eight cars compete.
I invite all track officials to go online to CircleTrack.com and view our series website where you can view the rules package we developed. See how we compensate for different engine packages and chassis modifications. This plan is working very well for the races we have run so far.
Many Comments
Bob Bolles,
I have to comment about the old dogs write up. The best thing that could have ever happened to sprint cars is for technology to be left behind (exception is safety stuff ). Sammy Swindell had a rack & pinion dual a-arm sprint car back in the 90’s, and there has been many innovators try all kinds of different suspensions over the years. Thank goodness none of them worked any better than the old standard deal and never caught on or sprint car racing would be dead as we know it.
Dirt late models have run themselves out of business for the local racer due to the high costs of keeping up with suspension and engine technology. Sprint cars are for the most part the same as they have been for 20 maybe 30 years allowing local racers the chance to compete for a modest budget. The increased speeds over the years of the sprinters have mostly come from bigger and better tires and making the package lighter.
The tire on a sprinter is responsible for a great deal of the suspension characteristics, and with better tires comes bigger HP. On any given night you will still see a fairly big crowd of sprint cars at local Hoosier race tracks, where late models have all dwindled away.
The local late model driver has been forced to step back to a mod and race for $500 to win. It is my opinion, due to the unrestricted technology (modern 4 bar suspensions) the dirt mod is in compromise of dying out too.
Car counts are less than half from 10 years ago, just ask any promoter. If you hook a race car up better you can put more HP at it and lap times drop. It seems like common sense doesn’t it. Bigger and better engines costs big money. And it’s money the local guy just doesn’t have.
We are building 740HP Dirt Mod engines for customers and they’re hooking them up. That’s insane! If you want to grow a class at a local track the formula is easy, take forward bite away from the competitors.
Engine rules don’t work! No tech guy is going to tear down an engine at midnight after the races to inspect. Crates don’t work, they get cheated up and again no tech guy will spend the time to inspect. Simply limit the forward bite of the race car and the engine costs will regulate themselves. So what if the car is a second slower on the track, the fans won’t complain because the side by side racing will be better.
My proof is the truck race at Eldora. They have truck arm suspensions, and they were turning lap times comparable to the local Eldora street stocks and they still put on a whale of a show. Truck arms have no forward bite is my point.
I’ll bet the guys that ran up front used restrictor plates to take power out of their engines to help hook them up. It is my belief that local racing can be saved and made to thrive again if we would simply back off of some that modern technology we have been talking about. Thanks for listing to my rants.
Roger Williams.
Roger,
If we took away all of the modern technology, what the heck would I do? I’d have to find another job. Kidding aside, I do see your point, but in order to have racing, we need to keep the racers interested in racing. You might be mistaking the reason why the numbers of race teams has fallen. The economic downturn over the past seven years could be a factor.
I do also agree with your assertion that using tires with less grip would equalize the field, to a point. I’ve seen a crate late model dirt car win over a couple of high tech, very high dollar and horsepower engine cars. And they were all on very grippy tires. He must have been using some of that high tech chassis stuff with a low tech motor.
As to the assertion that tech officials don’t want to tear down an engine at midnight, I have these two things to say. It’s the tracks fault that the races are over so late. These programs can and do end much sooner if the promoter will move things along faster.
And, the tech guys are to blame for not enforcing the rules and looking into the motors, not technology. That could be fixed with the proper staffing. I have always said that sealing the crate motors was the wrong thing to do. Leave them unsealed and encourage the tech officials to have the guts to challenge the teams and inspect the motors.
As to the dirt modified class, the disparity in performance is not only with the horsepower difference, but in experience. Most of the back 60 to 80% of the cars in any mod race don’t drive very well and need lap time experience. Driving is a big part of success in dirt mods and that is a draw for both the racer and the fans.
If you noticed too, driving is a big part of the success for sprint car teams. Again, like the dirt mods, two thirds of the field just don’t drive as well, or as fast, as the front runners. In time they might, or they might never. It is a part of that type of racing. Technology will not make a slow driver fast no matter how much money they throw at it.
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